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Saturday, May 30, 2015

The World's Most Dangerous Idea

From Notes On Arab Orthodoxy:
Greek Orthodox Metropolitan of Mount Lebanon Georges Khodr presided at the divine liturgy in the Church of Saint Michael in Dhour Shoueifat to bless the building of the Mitri Jirji Murr Social House net to the church. Celebrating with him in the service was the parish priest, Fr Elias Karam and Deacon Georges Shalhoub, with a crowd of parishioners and neighbors in attendance.

After the Holy Gospel and the offering of prayers and blessings for the building project, which is funded by Dr Georges Mitri, Metropolitan Georges gave a sermon in which he said, "I, the head of the Orthodox Church in this region, say-- we are one with the Druze monotheists. You must live this, not just as religious rhetoric, daily in social life, in the relations between families, in friendship and in love."

He added: "You Christians, prove that you are one with the Druze in this region, and also with the Muslims. If you do not do this, I do not recognize you. May the Lord help us all to remain one people."

A commenter pointed out, what are the Christians to do to demonstrate union with the Druze and Muslims, marry them? Perhaps the Orthodox are, in fact, not interested in being "one people" with apostates.

This comment was deleted.

I asked why the comment was deleted, and how else would Orthodoxy be maintained in the Middle East under centuries of Muslim occupation.

My comment was deleted.

So far, the following comment is still up: "Anonymous said ... A cry from the heart, although theologically unsupportable."

I have made many controversial statements on the Internet, but the idea that the Orthodox might actually grow themselves in their own pews is the one most heavily censored by Orthodox Christian bloggers.

On a happier note, an Orthodox Christian wedding in New Hampshire:



And Owen White, doing his part.

22 comments:

Bert said...

People wonder why Christianity is dying. The biggest reason is that they refuse to believe there are people out there who will always hate them, and that trying to make nice is a waste of time.

Oh well.

vetustior said...

When I saw that post, I considered asking: what does "one" (واحد) mean in this context? I had a sense, I'm not sure why, that questions like that would not be welcome.

nothern refugee said...

The Mormons understand this, which is why they are one of the few churches thriving today. They actively recruit, but they also create a culture where their children can marry young and have lots of kids. But raising a family is hard, and importing third world pew-sitters is easy (especially since the gubmint takes care of food, medical care and housing), so we are left with the spectacle of baptist churches holding separate services for all their Haitian and Honduran dependents.

nothern refugee said...

Lest anyone doubt why the major denominations are all pro-amnesty:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/as-old-line-southern-baptist-churches-struggle-a-dying-one-has-an-epiphany/2015/05/30/b0662e82-058d-11e5-bc72-f3e16bf50bb6_story.html

Unable to build the church from within, they are forced to import third worlders to fill their pews.

Cheech And Chong Found God said...

"They actively recruit, but they also create a culture where their children can marry young and have lots of kids."

Having many children is NOT a prerequisite for being a "good" Christian. It is how you raise offspring.


"But raising a family is hard, and importing third world pew-sitters is easy..."
"with the spectacle of baptist churches..."

You need a lesson in humility.

Deuteronomy 15:11--For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

nothern refugee said...

Ah Cheech. Idiots like you are why western civilization, and Christianity, are dying. When churches spew SJW bullshit, they die. I can sit at home and have that sewage pumped into my living room, no need to drive all the way to church. The future belongs to those who show up. The Mormons understand this. So does ISIS. You don't. You, and your ilk will end up as exhibits in a museum some day, if you are even remembered.

Cheech And Chong Found God said...

"The future belongs to those who show up."

Obviously "third-worlders" are showing up to church and spreading the faith.


"I can sit at home and have that sewage pumped into my living room, no need to drive all the way to church."

Actually, I can give it to you straight via the Internet. Isn't technology grand?

http://markhusbands.me/culturecare/2014/12/5/ever-wondered-about-why-christianity-is-flourishing-in-the-global-south


"Listen, if you are going "Ah Cheech. Idiots like you are why western civilization, and Christianity, are dying."

[Laughs] there are millions of Christians like myself who profess the faith with vim and vigor. I'm not dying, I'm living.


Learn your lesson, learn it well.




"When churches spew SJW bullshit, they die"

Cheech And Chong Found God said...

"When churches spew SJW bullshit, they die"

Jesus was the quintessential SJW. Why do you hate Him, our Savior?

The Anti-Gnostic said...

The Lord God of the universe, incarnate, is profoundly NOT a social justice warrior. He and His Church did not end slavery, did not decree public transfer payments, and did not ordain gay marriage.

vetustior said...

"Jesus was the quintessential SJW."

I'll assume you don't know what an SJW is, and so aren't being intentionally blasphemous.

Either way, I am reminded of an old Onion article: Shakespeare Was, Like, the Ultimate Rapper.

Cheech And Chong Found God said...

"The Lord God of the universe, incarnate, is profoundly NOT a social justice warrior."

By the standards of the time period Jesus lived, he most assuredly is a Social Justice Warrior who died for our sins on the cross. Praise Jesus!


"He and His Church did not end slavery..."

Patently false. The forms of servitude and slavery practiced in a biblical context bear little resemblance to the tyrannical slavery found in the Antebellum South and in other modern countries. His Glorious revelation of the moral abomination of European slavery came to pass with the 13th Amendment in the United States, with the United Nations adopting the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948, and with over a hundred and fifty countries outlawing this practice. Praise Jesus! However, it is practiced by men and women. For people to say the Church played little or no role in ending the “peculiar institution” is ignorant of American and world history.


"did not decree public transfer payments"

Not necessarily. The followers of Jesus are members of the general public, who if in important government positions, would be compelled to honor Deuteronomy 15:7-11...“If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be. Take care lest there be an unworthy thought in your heart and you say, ‘The seventh year, the year of release is near,’ and your eye look grudgingly on your poor brother, and you give him nothing, and he cry to the Lord against you, and you be guilty of sin. You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

True, Jesus made no mention of implementing any Christian principles in government, unless the future Kingdom of God he conceived involves “government” which apostles would judge Israeli tribes. Since Jesus did NOT live in a representative democracy, there is NOTHING about Christians ensuring their points of view are legislated. Yet, conservative Christians today are delighted to have basic tenets put forth in laws when it comes to marriage, abortion, and welfare. So unless you are calling for such Christians to abandon this advocacy, then removal of economic justice from the realm of things Christians ought to work for is duplicitous and hypocritical.


"did not ordain gay marriage."

1 for 3. Good for you!

Bert said...

Delete these comments already fucking christ

August said...

The things bishops do in the absence of strong Christian temporal leaders never ceases to amaze me.

Cheech And Chong Found God said...

I forgive you Bert for your hostility. You can handle anger biblically by recognizing and admitting your prideful anger and/or your wrong handling of anger as sin (Proverbs 28:13; 1 John 1:9).

August said...

Cheech,

Bert is angry because you are arrogant. You presume to be able to read and comprehend the bible. If you would become as a little child and shut the fuck up while the adults are talking, Bert might be able to stop being profane.

Cheech And Chong Found God said...

“Bert is angry because you are arrogant.”

Christians are perceived in that manner, especially when they profess the faith vociferously.


“You presume to be able to read and comprehend the bible.”


Sir, there is no presumption. I am able to interpret this wondrous book, with the help of Jesus, quite well, thank you very much.


“If you would become as a little child and shut the fuck up while the adults are talking,”

Really, you’re pulling out the “adults are talking in the room card”? And swearing to boot? Is that not juvenile in and of itself?


“Bert might be able to stop being profane.”

Only if he takes God into his heart. I forgive you, too :)

August said...

The most egregious part of living in this age is that the idiots don't even vaguely sort of understand that they are idiots, or at least that they need help. I have Jesus and better reading comprehension scores than you do. Do not blame Him for your stupidity. He will not be happy with you for embarrassing Him. If you speak this way to non-Christians you are exposing His name to ridicule, for you are ridiculous, and will be partly responsible for the sin made by the poor exasperated people you talk to. You should be ashamed of yourself. Learn to be humble so that you can learn.

Cheech And Chong Found God said...

“The most egregious part of living in this age is that the idiots don't even vaguely sort of understand that they are idiots, or at least that they need help. I have Jesus and better reading comprehension scores than you do. Do not blame Him for your stupidity. He will not be happy with you for embarrassing Him. If you speak this way to non-Christians you are exposing His name to ridicule, for you are ridiculous, and will be partly responsible for the sin made by the poor exasperated people you talk to. You should be ashamed of yourself. Learn to be humble so that you can learn.”

Sir, I pray that you bear witness to your own hypocrisy. James 4:16—As it is, you boast in your arrogance. All such boasting is evil. Jesus is not impressed with your reading comprehension scores, nor mocking someone due to an alleged lack of intelligence. What troubles you to lash out?


Timothy 1:7—For God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control.

I will not be ashamed for thanking God to give me the discipline to forgo your path of indignity.

Bert said...

"Bert is angry because you are arrogant."

Not really, you dumb autist. It has more to do with the fact that I just don't feel like subjecting myself to obvious trolling and I'm not happy that our host refuses to start simply deleting this shit.

The Anti-Gnostic said...

I considered it, Bert, but prefer to leave the comments up to demonstrate the inability of my opponents to craft a logical argument. There are a number of Christian and libertarian sites that censor like crazy; I don't run a hugbox.

Bert said...

No, he's pretty obviously just doing this to be annoying, and the shit he posts is so long and unreadable that it's impossible to ignore.

Cheech And Chong Found God said...

To Bert, seek the love of the Lord.

“I considered it, Bert, but prefer to leave the comments up to demonstrate the inability of my opponents to craft a logical argument.”

AG, you have the opportunity to break down my arguments using dialectic, yet you choose this route. Interesting, to say the least.